In the post below, gordo addresses the IDiot "Eocene" and says:
"Pardon, but while the underlying issues you raise are well warranted, some of your language is intemperate.
Please moderate tone, words and implications of widespread conscious dishonesty."
And then gordo goes on to be "intemperate" (to put it mildly) and to accuse scientists of essentially the same things that eocene accuses them of, and more. gordo does that virtually every day but when eocene does it, for some reason gordo says he should mellow out. Hmm, what could be going on here? I think I know. gordo is irritated because HE wants to be the biggest jerk on UD and eocene is stealing some of his thunder. In some ways eocene talks a lot like gordo, and gordo really wants to be uniquely obnoxious. No suitors to his throne of pomposity are allowed!
The rest of the blather gordee posted is just the usual drumbeat repetitive incoherent raging rhetoric of the lunatic that he is. And he really is ignorant, stupid, insane, and wicked, among other things.
If you have a strong constitution, try to imagine what it's like to be gordo's children. Yeah, I know, what a depressing thought. It must be some of the worst oppression and child abuse ever, to be subjected to gordo's rigid insanity in person every day. His wife must also be treated in a way that is far, far worse than a soldier in boot camp, but she chose to marry him, unless of course he forced her somehow. Unfortunately, his children will likely grow up to be just as fucked up as he is.
3.1.1.2
kairosfocus
October 20, 2011 at 5:58 am
Eo:
Pardon, but while the underlying issues you raise are well warranted, some of your language is intemperate.
Please moderate tone, words and implications of widespread conscious dishonesty.
Yes, there is censorship, there is unjust career busting, there is a twisting of definitions and the structure of science in agenda-serving ways, but most — the vast majority — of those doing things that in the cold light of days to come will be seen as inexcusable, are caught up in the spirit of our age and are blind to the cold import of what is going on.
It SEEMS to those caught up that those Bible-thumping fundies are the real threat and we must take all steps necessary to block those destructive theocrats, and it seems that those dumb and dishonest Creationists — including the ones hiding in cheap tuxedos — are trying to seize control of Science and pushing “pseudoscience” in by the back door.
So, freedom must be defended from the theocrats — how dare they insist that marriage can only be between a man and a woman! and the nerve of having coffee shops in Blackpool with TVs showing scripture readings . . . it’s hate speech; let’s call the police under the Public Order Act. (This is an actual recent incident.)
Likewise, how dare those ignorant, stupid, insane or wicked creationists demand that we replace the proper definition of science:
KS, 2001:“Science is the human activity of seeking natural explanations of the world around us.”
. . . with something so obviously loaded with Creationist rubbish and hidden agendas:
KS, 2005:“Science is a systematic method of continuing investigation, that uses observation, hypothesis testing, measurement, experimentation, logical argument and theory building, to lead to more adequate explanations of natural phenomena.”
(This, again is an actual incident. The 2005 definition is more or less the traditional school level definition that — complete with issues on provisionality and progress — traces back to Newton in Query 31, Opticks. The 2001 definition preloads science with naturalism, i.e. evolutionary materialism, thus begging major questions and breaking down the integrity of science as an objective search for the truth about our cosmos based on empirical evidence, analysis and reasoned discussion.)
of course in a day not many years hence, all of that will be seen for what it is: the blinding hysteria of our day, wherein judgements have been warped by reckless — and in some few cases willfully malicious — talking points and manipulative arguments.
But, when one is caught up in the party-spiritedness of an age, it is hard indeed to see the wrongs being done. (Think about why it took 50 years of hard campaigning and one final slave rebellion that exposed the temper of those who suppressed it when they burned down dissenter chapels and tried to hang dissenter missionaries to break the stranglehold of slavery. And yet, to our eyes, such race based chattel slavery seems obviously wrong. Never mind that we have a lot of implicit debt servitude in our day . . . )
GEM of TKI
http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/software-engineers-off-the-cuff-requirments-list-for-simple-cell/comment-page-1/#comment-404637
"Pardon, but while the underlying issues you raise are well warranted, some of your language is intemperate.
Please moderate tone, words and implications of widespread conscious dishonesty."
And then gordo goes on to be "intemperate" (to put it mildly) and to accuse scientists of essentially the same things that eocene accuses them of, and more. gordo does that virtually every day but when eocene does it, for some reason gordo says he should mellow out. Hmm, what could be going on here? I think I know. gordo is irritated because HE wants to be the biggest jerk on UD and eocene is stealing some of his thunder. In some ways eocene talks a lot like gordo, and gordo really wants to be uniquely obnoxious. No suitors to his throne of pomposity are allowed!
The rest of the blather gordee posted is just the usual drumbeat repetitive incoherent raging rhetoric of the lunatic that he is. And he really is ignorant, stupid, insane, and wicked, among other things.
If you have a strong constitution, try to imagine what it's like to be gordo's children. Yeah, I know, what a depressing thought. It must be some of the worst oppression and child abuse ever, to be subjected to gordo's rigid insanity in person every day. His wife must also be treated in a way that is far, far worse than a soldier in boot camp, but she chose to marry him, unless of course he forced her somehow. Unfortunately, his children will likely grow up to be just as fucked up as he is.
3.1.1.2
kairosfocus
October 20, 2011 at 5:58 am
Eo:
Pardon, but while the underlying issues you raise are well warranted, some of your language is intemperate.
Please moderate tone, words and implications of widespread conscious dishonesty.
Yes, there is censorship, there is unjust career busting, there is a twisting of definitions and the structure of science in agenda-serving ways, but most — the vast majority — of those doing things that in the cold light of days to come will be seen as inexcusable, are caught up in the spirit of our age and are blind to the cold import of what is going on.
It SEEMS to those caught up that those Bible-thumping fundies are the real threat and we must take all steps necessary to block those destructive theocrats, and it seems that those dumb and dishonest Creationists — including the ones hiding in cheap tuxedos — are trying to seize control of Science and pushing “pseudoscience” in by the back door.
So, freedom must be defended from the theocrats — how dare they insist that marriage can only be between a man and a woman! and the nerve of having coffee shops in Blackpool with TVs showing scripture readings . . . it’s hate speech; let’s call the police under the Public Order Act. (This is an actual recent incident.)
Likewise, how dare those ignorant, stupid, insane or wicked creationists demand that we replace the proper definition of science:
KS, 2001:“Science is the human activity of seeking natural explanations of the world around us.”
. . . with something so obviously loaded with Creationist rubbish and hidden agendas:
KS, 2005:“Science is a systematic method of continuing investigation, that uses observation, hypothesis testing, measurement, experimentation, logical argument and theory building, to lead to more adequate explanations of natural phenomena.”
(This, again is an actual incident. The 2005 definition is more or less the traditional school level definition that — complete with issues on provisionality and progress — traces back to Newton in Query 31, Opticks. The 2001 definition preloads science with naturalism, i.e. evolutionary materialism, thus begging major questions and breaking down the integrity of science as an objective search for the truth about our cosmos based on empirical evidence, analysis and reasoned discussion.)
of course in a day not many years hence, all of that will be seen for what it is: the blinding hysteria of our day, wherein judgements have been warped by reckless — and in some few cases willfully malicious — talking points and manipulative arguments.
But, when one is caught up in the party-spiritedness of an age, it is hard indeed to see the wrongs being done. (Think about why it took 50 years of hard campaigning and one final slave rebellion that exposed the temper of those who suppressed it when they burned down dissenter chapels and tried to hang dissenter missionaries to break the stranglehold of slavery. And yet, to our eyes, such race based chattel slavery seems obviously wrong. Never mind that we have a lot of implicit debt servitude in our day . . . )
GEM of TKI
http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/software-engineers-off-the-cuff-requirments-list-for-simple-cell/comment-page-1/#comment-404637
